#59 - Deadpool - Dimensjoner og axolotls

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1:52 - Hvem er Deadpool?
5:20 - Hvordan bryter han den fjerde veggen?
17:13 - Regenerering: gjensyn med en gammel venn og en ny utfordrer

Sfæren besøker flatland: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6kn6nXMWF0&ab_channel=TED-Ed

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I don't know. Yes. Yes. Oh, hello. I

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know, right? Whose balls did I have to fondle to get my very own movie? I can't tell you, but it does rhyme with pulverine. Anyway, I got places to be, a face to fix, and oh... Bad

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guys to kill. Okay.

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Okay. Who is Deadpool? in Deadpool and Wolverine.

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Yes, very good movies.

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Very good movies, very funny, very fun. They just enjoyed themselves when they made these movies. He was with

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Deadpool in one of the old X-Men movies

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as well.

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Yes, he was.

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Completely horrible. Yes, because that's a point with Deadpool, is that he talks a lot, he's funny, he always has a comment on everything that happens, while the Deadpool they went for in the X-Men movies has, quite simply, a syd in his mouth. So they just remove what's away from their own Yeah. Yeah. Det gjorde de ikke da, for dem som vet. Ingen likte

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det. Men hvordan har han blitt til?

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Ja, det varierer veldig, og det tror jeg varierer veldig, fordi han er litt sånn, han forteller ofte bakgrunnshistorien sin selv, og han finner på mye ting, lyver mye, han er ikke så veldig troverdig, politelig. Men i de fleste versjonene så har han en eller annen type aggressiv kreft, og lar seg eksperimentere på i et program som heter Weapon X, for to get involved in a healing factor a regenerating tool that works so that he can regenerate everything he gets thrown at and in the movies he is already before he does this he is already a slave and has all the skills he needs to be a super hero but gets in addition the regeneration so yes so that's so it's regeneration we've said regeneration many times his strength is especially this regeneration healing factor it's discussed a lot on the internet if it's even better than Wolverine's healing factor it appears like that it's like it cuts off an arm and then it grows out overnight in a way it's very very powerful and then he's good with weapons he uses pistols he uses swords and everything he can find also a completely unique I think Superkraft. Superkraft i, ja, så vidt jeg vet, helt unikt i hele Superhelduniverset, er at han vet at han er en tegneserie. Han bryter den fjerde veggen, eller når han er på film, så vet han at han er en film, henvender seg til publikum, henvender seg til leseren, og kan til og med bruke det at han er i tegneserien til sin fordel. For eksempel, for lenge, lenge siden hadde vi en episode om Hellcow, og det er en tegneserie med Deadpool og Hellcow, hvor han do something like, oh, I shouldn't have done this, so he climbs back in an earlier route in the cartoon, to try again. It's quite original. I like it. It's fun. So that's Deadpool. Yes, we're going to talk a little science. We're going to talk a little

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science. So Deadpool, what are we going

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to see now? We're going to ask. Yes, what are we going to ask about? If he can break the fourth wall. He can break the fourth wall. He can break the The fourth wall, how does he do that, do you think?

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Have you thought about that? For those who don't know what it means to break the fourth wall, it's a kind of expression from theater, or film as well, but the idea is that when you're an audience at a theater show, you see three walls on stage, the back wall and on the

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side. It's like an Ibsen play that takes place in a living room.

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And many Okay. Okay. vi på en måte lever, at det er overforbart, altså lever vi i tre dimensjoner, men han kan på en måte se inn i den fjerde dimensjonen. I løpet, men jeg snakket litt om det her under episoden om Hellkaos, om det er så lenge siden, så vi får en liten repetisjon. Absolut. En dimensjon, Even, det er en linje. Det er en linje. Ja, to dimensjoner, det du får hvis du tar to linjer, og så stiller dem vinkelrett på hverandre, det kan du for eksempel gjøre på et ark. Ja. Et ark, det Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. man kan tenke på det på den måten, men tid har litt spesielle egenskaper, så tre romlige dimensjoner. Det er klart at det som er vanskelig å på en måte tenke seg, okay, men hvis du skulle gå til fire dimensjoner, hvor skulle den her ekstra linja gått, på en måte, for det er jo fullt nå.

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Det

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er ikke noe mer i rommet å ta av. Og det er et spørsmål, det er på en måte, er det sånn at det ikke går an, eller er det sånn at vi bare ikke klarer oss Yes, because we live in... and then they just travel around in Flatland like these geometric figures, right? They have two eyes, but the eyes are kind of attached to the triangle, and then they just move around on this arch. And there they have it good, they live as we live and such, but they have no idea of what is outside of this arch they live on.

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A

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little side track here around this Flatland is that most of them are triangles,

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Men

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hvis de blir adelige, jo mer, når de har levd sitt liv, så blir de både gjenfødt som en ny trekant, litt mer adelige, og så på et tidspunkt så får de en kant til, da blir den til fire kanter.

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Og

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så derifra ut så får de bare flere og flere kanter, og til slutt så har de så mange kanter at de ser ut som cirkler, og da er de på toppen av hierarkiet i samfunnet. So in this, I think, I've actually forgotten a little bit about who you follow. I think you follow a square in Flatland. You follow the story to a square. And it looks around itself. And all it sees is just a line. Because it sees just, you can see that if you hold an arc up against the eyes, and then you try to see it sideways

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with

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the eyes så ser du bare en linje med hvitt. Ja.

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Det er

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jo det de her karakterene ser med

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sine øyne. Ja. Og så av og til møter man noen som er...

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Yeah, so you can see a little deeper. In the same way, when we look around us, when we look around us now, we say that we see the third. We actually don't do that. We see mostly the head. The picture we see is, in a way, two-dimensional.

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But then we have two eyes, so we have a feeling of the third. But does it see a thin line, or is the whole world like a straight line?

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No, it just sees a thin line. Yeah,

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okay. But other circles and squares and so on, what does it see them as?

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Yeah, it's the same way as I see that you're not a flat person, right? Because I see a little shadow, I have two eyes, and I have a little third view. It's the same for these characters in Flatland. They also see that things have depth. It's just that in the starting

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point, they see the

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line

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with each eye. How do you see how many edges things have, if they only see one

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dimension? If you hold up a cube to me, I can see that it has several edges. Even if I just look

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at it. Ja, litt avhengig av vinkelen, men ja. Ja,

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uansett. Uansett, en dag så blir den her firkanten besøkt av en sfære fra den tredje dimensjonen, ikke sant? Du ser for deg liksom flatland. Så en kule liksom. Ja, en kule som kommer, og de her lever på en måte på det her arket i flatland, og så kommer den her kulen på en måte utenfra. Og det som da skjer er jo at den kula snakker til en, ikke sant? Så synes den, hallo, god dag, ikke sant? Men den kula er jo ikke en del av hans verden, den er utenfor, så han bare hører stemmen og skjønner ikke hvor den lyden kommer fra, ikke sant? Og så sier han bare, hva? Hva mener du for noe? Hvor er du hen? Jo, det er en kule, og jeg er ute i den tredje dimensjonen. Du kan ikke se meg, men jeg finnes, ikke sant? Og det her er jo poenget med Boka Flettelen, da, ikke sant? Å prøve å få oss til å fantasere rundt hvordan ville det vært for oss å møte noen som kom fra, på en måte, den Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yes. and then it's a bigger circle, and then a bigger circle, and then a smaller circle again, and then a smaller circle, and then a smaller circle, and

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then

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suddenly it's gone. Yes. What does that mean? It gives a little meaning. Yes, it's a little difficult, but if you want to search on YouTube for Flatland and things like that, there are some stylish videos. We're going to put a video

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in the description. If you just take an arc and stick it across a ball, it would be a circle on that arc. Yes. And the size depends on where on the ball you take the arc. Yes,

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that's right. If you Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And we've already seen, as you said, in the cartoon where he goes out of the cartoon route, which gives a lot of meaning. He lives in his two dimensions, but he can also climb out of the cartoon route, into the third dimension. So that's my connection to Deadpool.

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Okay.

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But I have a... I mentioned initially that we are Deadpool's worst enemy. Yes. Because, why is a knife dangerous? It's sharp. It's sharp, and What does it mean that it's sharp? It means that it's a little wide, right? In one dimension. It's very two-dimensional.

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It's

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another way of saying that something is sharp, to say that it's very two-dimensional.

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That's what I say all the time, after the knife. Really two-dimensional. Very nice to cut tomatoes with. Exactly.

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I don't say that I buy a knife-slipper, I say that I buy a knife-dimension reducer. So for a three-dimensional knife, Yeah. Yeah. from anyone on Deadpool would have been very, very sharp and dangerous.

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Yes, but it's not us who are in the fourth... No. Yes. It's not us. It's not us who are in the higher dimension than Deadpool. Okay,

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Eivind. I'm sure you haven't managed to find anything that defends regeneration.

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It's nothing. No animal in the universe. No, apart from all. Apart from all. Ish. No, we've talked about regeneration before. We've talked about Deadpool and Axolotls and stuff. Yeah, Wolverine, at

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least.

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Deadpool, too. Yeah, we've talked about Deadpool and Axolotls and stuff. And we're higher in dimension than him. Yeah. And we have to, to the joy of old and new listeners, we have to talk a little. a little bit about axolotl again. Just a little recap. It's been so long since we talked about... It's been so long

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since we last talked about axolotl.

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You can never talk about axolotl. You can't actually. And it's a kind of... Salamander that doesn't want to grow up. Salamander that doesn't want to grow up. It looks like a salamander larva, but it never ends up looking like that, like a larva. And it's a most regenerating being. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Det kommer ikke til å gå. Den kommer ikke til å få masse armer og se ut som en sinnssykt monster. Men så er det ikke sant. Dette her er jo veldig Deadpool-aktig. Men det er ikke nødvendigvis nok. Fordi det finnes også eksempel på at Deadpool har fått liksom hele hodet hans har på en måte blitt pulverisert. Og så har det også bare grodd tilbake. Og han har beholdt alt han husket før. Han har beholdt minden sine og alt muligt. Axolotl kan faktisk regenerere deler av hjernen. If you, I don't know. Some have tried. Some have probably tried this. But to lose the whole, they can't lose the whole head. And then it grows back and then it goes well. So we move on to another animal. And that is flatworms. Yes.

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The ones that live

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in the gut. No, it's bendelworms. Yes, bendelworms. Are they a type of flatworm? I'm not quite sure. They are also flat, and they are worms. Flatworms, yes. No, I'm just kidding. look at the aisle. I'm not sure, but flatworms. regenerate both halves, so that you suddenly have two flat arms, after

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you've cut

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off two.– Yeah, yeah, yeah.– And then there's also...– But, you know, can't you do that with axolotl as well?– You can't cut an axolotl in two, and then you get two new ones.– Can't you do that?– No, because cutting limbs is one thing, but cutting vital organs and stuff like that, I don't think that works.– No, that's not true. But the

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bent arm can do that.

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– The flat arm?– The

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flat arm,

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yes.– Yes. And then there's also, they're not very smart, they're small Oh, now I see where this is. regenerate the head in about one week. Can you say that again? When you teach them something, they remember the flatworms. The flatworms. So they remember it in two weeks? You don't remember it in two minutes. No, I don't remember it in two minutes. They remember it in two weeks. They have a memory of this food thing and can find it faster to the food again. And if you cut off a flatworm head, like that in general, then it grows out again in one week. So then you can see for yourself what the biologists have done. This you can So some researchers who have trained flatworms to find food, and then they have taken half of them and cut, cut, cut, cut, cut the head. And then this head has grown again, and then they have put all the flatworms out. And those who got the head cut off after being trained, found food faster than those who had never found food before. So they were the fastest, those who had not been cut off the head. I feel that is natural. Men de som hadde fått kuttet av hodet og fått hodet til å vokse tilbake igjen, de fant fortsatt maten raskere enn de som ikke var trent i det

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hele tatt. Men hvor ligger denne kunnskapen?

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Nei, vi vet ikke. Hypotesen er at kanskje de kan lagre minner i noen nerveceller som er andre steder enn i hjernen. De har jo litt sånn... De er vel sånn type dyr som ikke har like mye hjerne som om de bare Yeah. Yeah.

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Let's start with the easiest and most obvious. How cool is Deadpool?

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Yeah, because you've gone straight to 20.

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I've gone straight to

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20. Yeah. I sat at 19, because I felt like, is it 20? But it's maybe

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20. I've gone to 20. But we can... No, we can go, we can go. Have you got the argument? No,

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I don't really have that.

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No, then it's 20. Okay, great. Atypical. There I sat... I was a little unsure, because he has a... He has a... Regeneration skills. He has the same as Wolverine.

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Yeah.

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But still quite atypical. I

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think I said 17. I think that he breaks the fourth wall and can see into our world. It trumps that Wolverine can also regenerate. So I went for

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20. I'm not

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entirely on 20. No, that's fine.

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An 18 or 19?

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Yes, let's say

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19.

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Let's

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say 19. And then, where... Plausible.

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I think it's nice not to get hurt, but it's not so often it happens. No, that's

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exactly it.

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And maybe even a little bit like listening to voices from people in another dimension. Not practical. That's maybe not so practical. So I said 7. Yeah, right, because I said 13, but I hadn't thought about the voices, so I can go with a little down.

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Yeah, for me it's a little bit like, you have to start at the bottom, like 0, if there's nothing practical, then it's 0, and then like, yeah, it's to be able to heal yourself, yeah, 7, and then it's not so much more than that, super strength.

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Yeah.

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It can be impractical to regenerate, it can be that there's a situation where you don't want to do it.

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Yes, it's

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nice

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to just not be able to die, or

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maybe not. No, it's just that. Yes, at

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least for 500 years, it's maybe a little boring. So what do we go for?

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Should we go for 9? We can go for 9, we can do that. And then for extraordinary, I've put 14.

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I've put 17. Yes. It's not Superman. It's not Superman. It's quite extraordinary, the combination of the whole preparation, which is even more interesting Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Overraskende at Green Lantern

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har kommet så høyt opp. Ja, det var karakteren er bedre enn filmen. Man har gjesta. Uansett, om du har latt deg helbrede av våre stemmer, så synes vi det er veldig hyggelig, og ønsker deg to fortreffelige uker til vi ses og høres. Vi ses ikke, vi høres da. Takk for oss!